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new england news. but i completely forgot it was a marathon day and i was like oh there's 14 read stories on the front of the boston globe. they're all different stories about the boston marathon. i completely forgot about it, even though i'm supposed to be a massachusetts, you know. >> you are, you are, you're just at the end of massachusetts. you'r just athey could be further awam boston. >> be closer to albany part of it. >> thank you rachel. >> thank you. lawrence >> starting somewhere around the early 1990s, rush limbaugh another right wing fanatics, decided to change the name of the democratic party. they changed it to, the democrat party. they thought that was really smart. the democrat party. their point, was that both parties are democratic parties, in the sense that they believe in democracy, in our products

of democracy. and so neither party should claim that the adjective democratic for itself. republicans, and no longer quite so fetishistic about their attachment to democracy. instead of expressing belief in democracy, republicans now expressed belief in stolen elections. the republican party has always presented itself as the defender of traditional american values, against an assault on those values. by liberal democrats. michael gerson, may have been the single best republican practitioner, of the arts of expression american values, as a speech writer. michael garrison is an evangelical christian who was the chief speed writer for george w. bush. the words that he gave president bush, who sometimes mangled those words, were among the most eloquent expressions

of traditional american values. today in his column in the washington post, he writes, the gop is a garbage scowl of the corrupt, the seditious and their enablers. this is unprecedented in american political history, but by now we have gotten used to it. that the most eloquence, and lacerating, and accurate descriptions of the republican party, now come from, the former leading lakes of the republican party. intellectuals like george will, speech writers like michael gruesome in presidential campaign strategist like stewart stevens and steve schmidt. in the list goes on and on. including our first guest tonight, who writes, it's long past time that democrats sees the high ground on values, including fair play, honesty, respect and nonviolence. in truth, a party that winks at

violence and tries to undermine faith and elections is anti-american and anti-democratic. hold republicans accountable when they rationalize violence and demographic the importance of elections, take them to task is anti work an anti family for opposing necessities, such as subsidize child care for working, parents or paid family leave to take care of parents. that's how democrats can conceive consensus if not unity. task themselves as defenders of american values, and put republicans on defense. in iowa this weekend, we saw possible foreshadowing, of the presidential campaign of 2020, four with donald trump holding a rally in iowa, campaigning for, at minimum, attention. he was also campaigning to maintain his control, over the republican party, which was vividly demonstrated, by the abject feel itty of the oldest republican member of the united

states senator, the 20th century version of chuck grassley in the united states senate, was a predictable conservative republican who was thought by his colleagues to be somewhere in the middle of the bottom half of the republican senate intellectually. it was easy for senators like grassley to know how to vote in those days, they simply did with the republican leader suggested that they do. chuck grassley's conservative consistency in those days, could have been mistaken then as principal, and indeed it was mistaken as principal. by everyone. possibly even including grassley himself. it took donald trump to reveal that chuck grassley, does not believe in anything, chuck grassley has become the perfect example, of the and thinking in supreme we dangerous trump political foot soldier. eight months ago, during the second impeachment of donald trump, senator chuck grassley issued this statement.

president trump continued to argue that the election had been stolen even though the courts didn't back up his claims. he belittled in harassed elected officials across the country to get his way. he encouraged his own loyal vice president mike prints to take extraordinary and unconstitutional actions during the electoral college count. there's no doubt in my mind that president trump's language was extreme aggressive and irresponsible. this weekend, in iowa, donald trump's language was extreme, aggressive, and irresponsible. and chuck grassley, stood right there with donald trump, in iowa. and publicly begged, in gravelled for donald trump's endorsement, for his senate reelection campaign next year. and so, 88 year old chuck grassley, having successfully debased himself once again at the feet of donald trump, trump got the endorsement. you will be 89 on election day

next, year if things go well for him he will be 95, when he's running for reelection again, and begging for donald trump or donald trump jr.'s endorsement. michael garrison who spent a career in politics trying to elect republicans to every office, now says, that unified republican control of the house in the senate, in the white house, after the next presidential election, is quote, a nightmare prospect. of american politics. leading off our discussion tonight, is the chair of the african american studies department at princeton university. and jennifer, reuben a conservative opinion writer at the washington post, an offer of resistance, how women save democracy from donald trump. both are msnbc contributors, jennifer, we begin with you, every, i don't know what it is now, every couple of years, we just have to remind the audience, how extraordinary it is, that a republican presidents chief speech writer,

is out with a column, seeing how horrific the republican party has become today. we've got used to you and george will in other republican intellectuals in the past, coming on and pointing out just how horrific the trump republican party has become. and i don't want people to get used to that. because it's such an important phenomenon. it's so very important. that we have your perspective on what we're seeing in the republican party, and what you're writing today about the party of values, and how the democratic party has to figure out the language, of values. and use it the way republicans have successfully used in the past. >> i think when i look around, i'm not so amazed frankly at those of us who have been speaking out, i continue to be amazed by the chuck grassley,

is the worms, the go along or 's. the people who must know at some level this is dangerous and awful in yet prostrate themselves in front of donald trump. i do you think that perhaps we have been on the republican side once upon a time, we do have a little perspective. and your right. on the republican side, they use values to hit the democrats over the head with your anti-family, you're not patriotic, your anti-police. all of this is of course nonsense, and directly applicable to them. i love when joe biden gets down into the weeds of policy, because i love policy law. but that's really not the way to do politics in america. he really has to set a much higher bar, and talk about his package as one that's pro family. that's pro democratic, that's pro national unity. and begin to talk in the language of values pointing out that democrats are in a

positive way of those values, now the republicans are hostile to those values. i think unless they do that, he's going to be minor down in a never-ending scrawl of details, and media coverage, and republican accusations. he really i think has to lift the bar. i would point him in the direction of my dear friend matt dowd, who's running for lieutenant governor of texas of all things. watch his ads. he's talking about common sense, common purpose for the common good. that's language that we need to hear on a national level from democrats. >> professor, it strikes me that the best communicator of values that i have heard on the democratic side of our politics, was barack obama, beginning with his convention speech, in boston in 2004, which is the first time many of us saw him speak at all. and that was a values laden speech, all the way through. that was not a clicking off of

a list of policy objectives, it's very unlikely that joe biden at this point will become the gifted orator that he's never been, but there's a big team, a big democratic team in the house and the senate, who can go out around the country, and supply the kind of values, rhetoric that jennifer's talking about. >> absolutely. i want to applaud jennifer because she's absolutely right. at one point we were talking about how central workers were to the food supply chain, in the midst of covid, and now we allow, or allowing people to talk about them is folk who just want to hand out. there's ways in which we see the rhetoric shift, and at a certain level, we need to make this claim, sometimes in history bears witness i think to this claim, that it falls a pound the shoulders of an unsuspecting generation to save american democracy.

and that's where we. are that's where the democratic party has to understand its task as. as we articulate these values, we have to articulate within a framework that the republicans in crisis, that it's in danger, and that we must in some ways stand behind, stand for those values, if we're going to salvage this fragile experiment. >> jennifer, the republicans, i'm not hearing quite the same values rhetoric from them, that we have in the past, because so much of their rhetoric involves talk about fraudulent election stolen elections, all of this stench of corruption, that donald trump imagines and spews. >> even they i guess find it hard to talk about values when they're weakening and nodding and violence, when they're seeking to undermine elections. i think they have just decided to go mean, and somehow convince themselves that what their base wants is the mean is junk yard dog in the yard, and

they're going to be it's, and they're going to simply attack attack attack. and the democrats have got to figure out a way, to not be on defensive, to go on offense, to point out what they're doing, but more importantly this is like you said, to sit fourth why there, values why american values are the way we get through this. we don't get through this by screaming foul when we lose elections. that's not the american way. we don't get through this by denying that the president is the president. we don't get through this by seeking to prevent people from voting. that's not the american way, and i think democrats really need to understand the depth of the trauma, we are in. the depth of the peril of democracy. and really rise to the occasion. it's hard, because we know democrats love talking policies. they love talking about all the great things they're doing, and

there is a lot of great stuff in this bill, that joe biden is in favor of. but if you only talk on the details, and there's so many details, you get lost in the weeds. and that's why i think the values conversation, that elevates the democratic party, is what they really need. >> this weekend saw another republican, this time the number two republican in the house, who on a sunday show, was unable to say, that joe biden was legitimately elected president of the united states. and the moderator chris wallace did the pairing back and forth, which i won't bother showing you, guys as we've seen this before, we'll see it again, whenever these people are invited on these kinds of shows, there will be that round that we go through. but liz cheney, congresswoman liz cheney republican had this reaction to, as she said, millions of americans have been sold a fraud, that the election was stolen, republicans have a duty to tell the american

people, that this is not true. perpetuating the big lie, is an attack on the core of our constitutional republic. and professor, there is liz cheney saying republicans have a duty, she's using that value language, have a duty, and as a republican herself, she is showing that they are failing in that duty. >> she's absolutely. ray i can't believe i'm saying, i agree with his, cheney but she's absolutely right. and it has everything to do with the fact that these sorts of claims are all about delegitimizing, the electoral process. by deepening distrust. by setting the stage for folk to call into question the outcomes that they disagree with. and i think it's really important, as we talk about the role of the democratic party here. we have to say, at least i have to say, that the third way of response, may not be adequate. that tentativeness, the tentative way in which the democratic party have suggested to the framework lawrence, of

reagan-ism, over these four years, may not be the appropriate response, to the crisis we face. when i say every generation, unsuspecting generation has to in some ways save democracy, a can't fall back on the old strategies. we're going to have to risk and be courageous, enough to stand on these values as we try to imagine, a new way of being together. absolutely. absolutely i agree with liz cheney. i can't believe i just said that. again >> i love that, point that i can't believe i'm saying i agree with liz cheney, what's so fascinating about it is, i had arguments with liz cheney, on television debates about torture, during the bush pregnancy, before he was in office. what we never dreamed was there would come a time, when there would be a debate in this country essentially, about the validity of democracy itself. and if you'd asked me, then if you ask me ten or 15 years, ago i would've, said of course liz

cheney and i are going to agree on the legitimacy of democracy itself. and so jennifer that's the unsurprising part of what we actually do agree on. >> yes, and that has to be underscored. whatever your disagreements with biden on whether this package should be 3.5 trillion or 1.9, trillion whatever it is. that is not the issue of her time. the issue of her time is whether will have a democracy, whether the american ideal, equal justice under the law, constitution that restrains those in power, is going to survive or not. and so i would implore both ex republicans and disaffected republicans, never, republican's independents, and democrats of whatever stripe, to figure out a way to deliver for their voters who desperately want these very popular measures, get that done, put that to bed, and then go out and tell the american people, what you are for.

that you are there to not only protect their interest, but to embody in save american democracy, and really take it to the next level. as you know, lawrence, presidencies are not on white paper. they're not one on ten-point plans, if so elizabeth warren would've been president ten times over. they are built on this emotional connection, in which voters see in that leaders, someone who cares about them, someone who embodies their values. and someone who makes them feel like america is a place for them. if democrats cannot do, that we are in deep deep trouble. >> jennifer reuben, professor, thank you both for starting us off tonight. we really appreciate. it >> thank you. >> coming up, credit where credit is due. most voters don't know what president biden in the democratic congress already have done. that's next. read

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payments, enhanced unemployment benefits of up to $300 per month, and the expansion of the child tax credit, that last month reached more than 60 million children. the august payments of the child tax credit, lifted 3.5 million children out of poverty. new polling shows many americans don't, know that democrats and the biden administration provided that relief, and that, every single republican in congress, opposed that relief. the latest political poll finds that 61% of respondents say they received, the expanded child tax credit of up to $300, for every child each month, only 47%, of those respondents, credited democrats for passing the legislation. and only 38% credited president biden. joining us now is sam stein,

white house editor at politico, he's an msnbc political analyst, and the founder of as so communications. sam, you wrote about this failure to connect, accomplishment to the people who are delivering that accomplishment. voters just not making the connection. >> yeah, i mean there was a proposition democrats had very early in biden's, turned that they were going to do things a little bit differently. by, that they were going to give benefits to the american people that were immediate, and there were tangible. what could be more immediate in more tangible, than money in your pocket, and so you outlined three of the main ways, in which they were going to shuffle resources, to the american people. but what's striking, to make this underscored in these polls and interviews, is how little that's translated, 38% credited biden, with the enhanced child tax credit, which is the crown

jewel of his massive agenda right now. something he's trying to extend to 2025. that is an abysmal number, if your proposition for the electorate is hey, i gave you, the working parent, $300 a month to help with your child, and appearances, thanks, it helps, but who gave it to me? i don't recall you doing it. then you're not connecting politically, you're doing morally. the actual reduction in childhood poverty has been an immense success, but an electoral case a fumble. >> you've studied this kind of communication, how does the communication chain work? from the president of the united states, telling people this is what i did for you today, down to the actual voters, who need to know that. >> yeah, i'm glad you're asking me, so, a message is like a baton that has to be passed from person to person to person. if it gets dropped anywhere along the, way by definition,

it isn't heard. even someone with arguably the largest poll cut, the president of the united states, the notion that what people think about democrats, is actually made about what democrats say or do, is almost laughable. in fact, it is the media, hates italia, that determine when it is people hear about these programs, the childcare tax credit for example, was dropped right around the same time as what happened in afghanistan, that swamped the coverage, and to me, it is very sad, that the numbers you reported there are not certainly what we are seeing in our nightly focus. groups very much reaffirms that in the polling that we've done privately, but it's also utterly unsurprising, if the media is not telling folks about these things, and how is it they're supposed to get this message? even if the president is reporting on it?

>> the other thing we've always known about undecided voters, and those the people you're trying to reach with this information, the people you already have, for electoral purposes anyway. they need to know about it for their own lives in for using the program, but for electoral reward, for having done, this you need to get this to the voters, who might not be voting for you. and those are the people who aren't watching shows like this. and they aren't consuming very much political news anyway. >> right, there are some reasons that remain optimistic if you are, democrat one is that, you are not consuming news like we are, you will get your news closer to the election, and the biden campaign, will have ample opportunity to remind, you through media saw that they did this. there's plenty of time. the second thing is we talk to some -- more the public at large may not credit biden, something very interesting is happening in the polls, which is that

republican voters with children, tend to be more favorable to biden, then republican voters without children. that can be correlation or causation. but the people i talked to say, that shows there is some residents. maybe biden is not moving the electoral college, but he is moving people slightly on the margins, here that could help him in 2024. one thing i will say, this is not a unique phenomenon to biden. you might remember this lawrence, barack obama heading into his reelection, vast majority of the public thought taxes and gone up under obama. in fact he had reduced taxes, for the vast majority of americans, there's a lot of disinformation out, there but there's also a lot of voters are just don't really understand or consume information like we do. >> that example sam just, gabe taxes going up under president obama, is that just the enduring impression? that under democrats taxes go up, and under republicans taxes go down? and there's very little you can

do with the relatively swing voter about that? >> when i would say about that is motivated cognition is a health drug, what i mean by that is, the more -- cognitive processing system would be, i'll see it when i believe, not the other way around. what we find in experiment after experiment, is that when people have already cemented a worldview, they in essence have a frame about what is occurring, then facts are simply impervious to it. they bounce off of it. in later, ms. if you've ever had the experience of trying to tell one of your friends, that the guy that she's dating is a complete and total jerk, and you provide her fact after fact after fact and they are just going ping ping ping, that's from talking about. but spread across massive issues, of social justice, an economic well-being. and so people are incredibly

adept, at discounting factual information, that simply weeding it out, not paying attention to it, ignoring it. it doesn't fit their pre-existing frame. it's precisely as you said. if they have an existing storyline, about cohen quote what democrats do, and how they behave. then facts are pretty much impervious to it. now, rather than get very sad about that, because one could. but one still has to go on. we can recognize that we have to speak as your previous guest were saying, in the language of values, and more than that, as i often like to tell people, don't take your policy out in public, it's an seemingly, messaging about policy is always less effective, then what that policy delivers, so when we asked, people how do you feel about paid family, leave their into, it when we say instead, you are there the first time -- they're way more into it.

when we say, raising wages, very popular, when we say instead, everyone makes enough to care for their family, way more popular, with democrats need to do, when they do have the mic, is stop selling the recipe, and start selling the brownie, stop talking about the names of your policies, and instead speak to voters in terms, about what it would feel like to have that as the reality in their life, it's not a child care tax credit, which is the name of a policy, it's, you go off to, work and you feel great about your kid's, and you know that they're safe, loved and cared for, and that you can afford it. >> sam stein, -- thank you both very much for joining us tonight. >> coming up, what if you had to pay, $52,985.02, for the

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states that did not allow convicted felons, who had served their sentences to vote. florida, kentucky and iowa. then in 2018, 65% of florida voters, voted for a constitutional amendment restoring voting rights for felons who had completed their sentences. about 1.4 million floridians suddenly, had their right to vote restored, and the new york times then called quote, the biggest expansion of voting rights in decades, anywhere in the country. jesse wagner reporting for the new york times, tells us what is happened since the republican legislature passed a law, signed by republican governor ron desantis, requiring the payments of all

court finds, legal fees, and restitution, before a convicted felon may then be allowed to vote. he tells the story of this woman who believe she owed a few hundred dollars, to discover that she had to pay $52,985.02, to cast her vote in florida. ms. bolden, is one of more than 700,000 people in florida, who are barred from voting because they cannot afford the financial obligation stemming from a prior felony conviction. it's like i'm not a citizen, she said. that's what they're saying. joining us, now it's member of the new york times editorial board, jesse, and also desmond meade executive director of the, florida rates restoration coalition. jesse. your reporting has just stunning. how does that number get up to that $52,900?

>> happens in lots of different ways. one way is there are sort of initial fines in fees that may follow on a criminal conviction, but then the really sort of insidious par is people get new court costs, applied to them for every time they show up in court, then their debt may get sold to a collections agency, and the collections agency can charged up to 40% interest, and so everything just builds up really quickly, and when people are making minimum wage are a little bit more, and they have to pay all their other bills, they end up not paying their legal debt, and it balloons very quickly. >> desmond, here former convicted felon yourself is coming through this process. now, law school graduate, soon to be member of the bar, in florida, fighting this fight. when that constitutional amendment was passed, by 65% of the voters in florida in 2018,

it did not say anything about, anything other than simply granting people like you, the right to vote again. >> lawrence first of all thank you for having me on, listen, when that passed, that was a huge moment, it was a moment where we saw the state of florida come together, people from all walks of, lives and we were able to accomplish this but then we have politicians they get involved that create, divide, and division, part of that is even the rhetoric, lawrence, for instance, we no longer use the word felon. otherwise how do we humanize people, who made mistakes, right? just because you made a mistake in the past, that does not mean you should be forced between putting food on your table are being able to vote. but that process comes with the humanization, of people, with a

felony conviction. i think jesse, did a great job and humanizing, people like me, who just want to be a part of society. who want to be able to participate in our democracy. i think it starts with the terminology that we used to identify each other. but at the end of the day, what we do, know is that the state of florida, is still trying to figure this process out, if they would have done with the voters simply, wanted in that is once a person is free from confinement, and free from probation, that they are able to register to vote, we would not be here tonight having this discussion. >> desmond i wish i spoke to you earlier today before i wrote that script introducing the segments, tonight where i was using the word felon in the way are talking, about using it as a now describing a human being, and thanks for that correction. that's gonna be, will be changing that going forward. jesse, what about very very old

convictions, where there might not be all the available records, why happens in those cases? you know, this is part of what's reveals the bad faith at the core of this effort, by the republican legislature in florida, which is the sheer incompetence in chaos and sloppiness, of the application of this new law, which says, the completion of a sentence, which virtually all floridians who voted for this amendment in 2000, 18 understood to be, when you got out of prison, and at most when you finished your probation, this new law extending that to include these fines in fees and other court costs, really was the essence of it is that it's such a mess, nobody knows these, amounts so when you say, all some of these convictions people have, that the old legal dead on, are so old, that the penalties they were convicted they don't even have the records of what they

owed. so they can't figure it. out the state can't tell them what they. oh yet the state is saying to them, sorry until you pay this, debt nobody can tell you how much it is, you are not voting, if there is any degree just form of intentional disenfranchisement, i haven't seen in many years. >> desmond is there any way to challenge the constitutionality of this statute? which in certain ways seems to be overruling an actual constitutional amendments in the state of florida? >> lawrence this was already challenged last year, we seen the aclu lead of women voters, in a multitude of other organizations, challenging this in the courts. they were not successful in the lower courts, however, the state of florida did appeal to the 11th circuit court of appeals, and the 11th circuit sided with the state, and so

that's where it is right now, but that's why organizations such as mine, for the rates and restoration coalition, is so, important because we're standing in the gap. we said from the very, beginning we're going to let the litigators litigate, we're going to let the politicians do their politic and, and we're going to focus squarely on the people, and so from the very beginning, we knew that this statute was going to be implemented, we created a program, where i don't know if you heard we raised over $27 million, to help individuals pay off their fines in fees, over 44,000 people benefited from that, and we established an attorney assist in a program, so we can utilize the provision, that was hidden within the statute that allows the courts to waive these fines in fees of individuals, so they'll be able to register to vote, and so far we have over i believe 20,000 people, that are in our program right now waiting to be

processed. the courts were delayed a little bit because the bill there is a level of uncertainty with the back and forth in litigation. now that this is been settled, courts are now freed up to actually start implementing their interpretation, of senator bill seven six six. and we're seeing great progress, and enthusiasm within the courts, in several judicial circuit cuts throughout florida. >> desmond quickly before you go. is there a way for viewers to contribute to funds for helping people pay these fees? of course, over 90,000 people have done, so we want to encourage people to continue to they can go to our website, at florida are our sea, dot com, where there is ways that they can donate. it's tax deductible, please, we need all the help we can, we've had help from people like lebron james and michael jordan, and ariana grande they, and so many others, who came together,

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the debt ceiling fiasco is exhibit, a in the larger problem one of our two political, parties is no longer traditional conservative problem solving party, but it is morphed into obstruction is called, aiming to do whatever it takes to block the governance in order to inflame voters and regain power. no matter the cost of the country, turning us now is normally reinstein, a congressional historian, and presidential scholar at the american enterprise institute. thank you very much for joining us tonight. fix the, senate save america, there are so many things to fix in the united states senate. how do you begin? i would like to begin with proportional representation. under this to push, stay were a long way from getting that done. >> and the senate is going to get worse, we have to consider that, lawrence that before, along it's become, it's going to become even less representative of the country as a whole, right now we are in a moment where we need triage. and the fact, is if we don't

fix this, we can kiss our democracy goodbye. certainly the debt ceiling fiasco is a part of, it i think and hope that mitch mcconnell, not for good purposes, but it is own malign ones, has given us an opportunity, a little bit of breathing room, to take that reconciliation bill, and make it, work so we have a big accomplishment, one that will include, an enormous set of things for the american public, especially for working class, and middle class, and poor people, and then we have to fix that debt ceiling blackmail once and for all, it's -- what was then an outlier party, and now an obstructionist cult. we saw that this was being used for horrible purposes, and there are ways to do that in reconciliation, and third in most import, and we have discussed it before, we have to discuss it many times, we need

to find a way to restore the filibuster, where the burden is on the minorities, so we can get the things done, starting primarily, with democracy reform, but moving on to many many other, things that are just going to be, blocked because every single republican, will filibuster and keep it from happening. >> republicans managed to hold a disproportionate share of senate seats, because of course the senate represents land and not people, and it is a fundamentally anti democratic institution it's designed, speaker pelosi, has issued a statement tonight about the infrastructure negotiations, saying, overwhelmingly the guidance i am receiving from members is to do fewer things, well, so that we can still have a transformative impact on families in the workplace, and responsibly address the climate crisis. that sounds to me, norm lake the compromise is being more and more focused, that is the

talk of compromise that i'm hearing. >> at this point, i am agnostic to a degree, we just need to get something that is going to be a compromise somewhere in the range of two trillion, dollars over ten, years and it might end up being over five years, if we get some of these core elements continued to cut child poverty as was done dramatically with the child tax credit, find a way to get childcare so that people can actually go back to work, and see that their families are taking care of, do something about the climate, but also i would hope, provide free community college and pre-k, education which are going to be enormous for the next generations. and for getting the jobs root people can actually be trained to work, and what's required, if we can do some of those, right now, most of those right now, in some reasonable fashion, it would be as i said in the,

peace in great society territory, with this very narrow majority. it's really important, that the next few weeks, we get that done, but i come back to this, they have got to do something about the filibuster, because what comes next, so important, is protecting our democracy against people who want to steal it. and we see this happening every day, all over the country, 2020 was a harbinger of what's to come, unless we, acts we cannot act without the reasonable way of altering the terrible rule, for this utterly undemocratic body already. that the super majority is there. it should not be required, in a doubled up way, >> norm orange, teen one of the first in washington to warn us about where the republican party was going. thank you very much for joining us tonight. we really appreciate. >> it's my pleasure lawrence thank. you will be right back. u will be right back u will be right back this is iowa.

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